• rekabis@lemmy.ca
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    There are plenty of potential recruits left.

    They just don’t have the political stomach to implement true equality. So they continue to treat men as disposable.

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      Bizarre to read how Ukrainians fighting a Russian invasion and having men dead because of that is now NATO’s fault somehow.

      I like these looks at logic and ideology totally bizarre to me. Lemmy is great for that

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        4 months ago

        Ukrainians are literally being dragged off the street by the regime to be thrown into the meat grinder. Meanwhile, most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore. In fact, Russia has the highest population of Ukrainian refugees at the moment.

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          I don’t know if you’ve noticed that Ukraine is trying to defend their country against a Russian attack.

          Meanwhile, most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore. In fact, Russia has the highest population of Ukrainian refugees at the moment.

          I’d be interested to see the source for these numbers. They seem hard to believe.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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            I don’t know if you’ve noticed that Ukraine is trying to defend their country against a Russian attack.

            The fascist regime that the west installed in Ukraine in a violent coup that overthrew the democratically elected government is sacrificing the people of Ukraine in a proxy war between NATO and Russia.

            here you go, could’ve found this in 2 seconds of googling instead of making a clown of yourself here https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

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              The fascist regime that the west installed in Ukraine in a violent coup that overthrew the democratically elected government is sacrificing the people of Ukraine in a proxy war between NATO and Russia.

              Riiight. The evil dogs must be taken down, so Russia literally had no choice but to invade. NATO literally forced them!

              here you go, could’ve found this in 2 seconds of googling instead of making a clown of yourself here https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

              Meanwhile, most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore

              I wanted to see the source you are using to know who they considered refugees and what areas are counted for Ukraine’s population. And especially what source/numbers you are using for Ukraine’s current total population because the total from your link or the estimates I’ve found are nowhere near any of the even lower end estimates I’ve seen.

              You seem to be somehow upset over me asking for your sources. I’m not sure why that is, making a claim and someone asking for a source is fairly normal internet discussion stuff. Nothing to be upset over.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                Riiight. The evil dogs must be taken down, so Russia literally had no choice but to invade. NATO literally forced them!

                LMFAO Stoltenberg literally admitted this already. Update your talking points. 😂

                Then lastly on Sweden. First of all, it is historic that now Finland is member of the Alliance. And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

                The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

                So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

                https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

                I wanted to see the source you are using to know who they considered refugees and what areas are counted for Ukraine’s population.

                Moving them goalposts when faced with the facts eh.

                You seem to be somehow upset over me asking for your sources. I’m not sure why that is, making a claim and someone asking for a source is fairly normal internet discussion stuff. Nothing to be upset over.

                I’m not upset about anything, I just think you’re an artless troll.

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                  “NATO didn’t sign our treaty so we just had to attack” is not a very convincing justification for a damn invasion at all. Russia chose to attack instead of dealing with an unfriendly government. Which is fucked up.

                  I wonder if people who think NATO expansion was a fine justification would be fine with the US invading countries to prevent them from joining military alliances they oppose. I know I wouldn’t be.

                  Moving them goalposts when faced with the facts eh.

                  You literally wrote this: “Meanwhile, most Ukrainians aren’t even in Ukraine anymore”. And I asked source for your claims.

                  I just want to see your source for this claim. I’m happy with the source for the other claim.

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              Lol, the Russian total includes people who were already in Russia before they invaded, but no other country does. Might be skewing the number there, a bit.

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                Not really the gotcha you seem to think it is. The fact that lots of Ukrainians were happy living in Russia even before the war illustrates that Ukrainians weren’t exactly anti-Russian.

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                  The most pro-Russian, pragmatic, and morally flexible Ukrainians would be the ones to be living in Russia even post-2014 invasion. I think most of the ordinary people were somewhat neutral before the invasions. Plus, you know, a population always contains a spectrum of opinions. The Eastern part of Ukraine was known to have a reasonable amount of pro-Russian people in it before 2014, that’s part of how Putin justified invading.

                  I’m sure even now most Ukrainians aren’t exactly anti-Russia anymore than Americans were anti-Afghanistan when we (needlessly) invaded to go after the Taliban. A vocal minority were rabid about killing them all, while most people were only interested in killing the actual terrorists, if they were in support of the invasion at all. Likewise, I’m sure most Ukrainians don’t find Russia to be evil in general, only the people in power responsible for the invasions.

                  Finally, I must point out that while Russia is merely at the top of the list with muddy population numbers, not-Russia absolutely curb stomps yes-Russia.

                  The vast majority of people, when faced with an invasion, run away from the invaders, not towards them.