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Some woman on the internet said she would feel safer spending a night in the woods with a random bear rather than with a random man

  • SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz
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    2 months ago

    Context: Some woman on the internet said she would feel safer spending a night in the woods with a random bear rather than with a random man

    Some woman

    Not “some woman” — quite a few women. Lots of women.

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        Really? What people do you usually hang around with?

        Bears are incredibly strong and dangerous and will kill you just for fun.

        I would honestly prefer a random man to a fucking moose.

        • SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip
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          2 months ago

          Man is more unpredictable than bear. I know A bear can kill me, but I have no idea what a random man has in mind for me.

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            2 months ago

            Sure. I guess it depends on what odds you are comfortable with. I prefer the very small odds of something worse than death or anything happing at all with Man than the high odds of death with a bear.

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              Where are you getting these odds from? For how many people live in bear regions, go camping/hunting/biking etc, there have not been that many bear attacks. Source

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                From this scenario I’m obviously assuming you have to be close to the bear for the entire day.

                It’s not like the bear/man is at the other side of the forest.

                And as to where I got my odds from? Well out of my ass. There are no statistics on this extremely specific scenario.

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            2 months ago

            This has a strong “at least they’re honest about wanting to kill me!” energy lol.

            Or maybe the whole thing is a joke. I honestly can’t tell

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            Bear: Couldn’t tell you what he’s up to even if it wanted to

            Men: Can actually listen and talk their intentions.

            Why is a man less predictable in this case? You all just claim things without the slightest bit of argument behind it… so please tell my why that would be the case.

            Thanks.

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            2 months ago

            The random man probably hasn’t anything in mind for you, just minding his own business.

      • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz
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        2 months ago

        Because a nice bear is going to ask for consent, and might snuggle you and…wait. What kind of bear are we talking about?

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      Some woman on the internet said she would feel safer spending a night in the woods with a random bear rather than with a random black man

      Changes their answers considerably

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      Right, this is what folks aren’t understanding.

      Yes a big ass bear is clearly more dangerous but like in reality the random man is much more variable and there are WAY more examples of what we’re capable of as opposed to what a bear does.

      A bears nature is understood.

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        Yes a big ass bear is clearly more dangerous

        If it is a black bear, which 99 percent of the time it would be, nah, the man is more dangerous. Black bears are scaredy cats.

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      2 months ago

      Yes, the safety guidelines are not being close to a bear.

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    Are we talking brown bears or black bears?

    Brown bears are violently territorial and will attack you for being in eyeshot.

    Black bears are basically giant racoons and will move away from people - especially if you’re making loud noises and making yourself look big - because they don’t want that smoke. They’ll only get aggressive if you surprise them or get anywhere near their younglings.

    I’d probably take a black bear over a lot of dudes. As long as we got a good hundred feet or so of distance, Mr Bear and I ain’t gonna bother each other.

    • radiofreeval [any]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      Brown bears aren’t human killing machines. They adjust their territory not to see people. Bears in general stay away from people and don’t care enough to attack.

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      Totally agreed, the question is so vague it’s absurd. Are we talking a panda or a grizzly? Is the man a locked-in paraplegic or an violent ex con?

      Regardless how you answer there’s always another possibility that makes your decision look stupid.

      • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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        Yeah but that’s a different scenario all togther. Not all men are dangerous rapists, obviously. But enough are prone to assault and SA that it’s statistically safer to have some random bear (possibly grizzly or teddy) than some random man. If you don’t feel like the random guy walking down the street is dangerous, that’s probably because random men on the street don’t regularly harass you, which is unfortunately still a very common occurance to most women.

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          While I understand and respect your viewpoint, I’m not quite sure you understand what I’m saying here… The question is designed to be a no win scenario, it’s phrased in such a vague way that no matter how you answer someone else can chime in and say oh no, your not imagining the terrible scenario I’m imagining. There’s literally no way of answering it in a way that someone is going to chime in and tell your wrong.

          It’s literally designed to be a test designed to gauge your reaction more than it is to be answered seriously.

          Without more info one can’t possibly respond in a legitimate manner. And any responses without additional information is more of a mirror to your own personal disposition and fears than it is a legitimate response to the question.

    • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz
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      I was in the smoky mountains with my kids camping, and we heard a bear digging around. My kids started crying, they for sure knew they were dead.

      I got out of the tent, stomped my feet so the bear heard me and wasn’t startled, and then went “boogaaboogaaa” and raised my arms. Poor little black bear went running off and kept looking back.

      And my kids had a really cool story about when their dad chased away a giant scary bear.

  • apotheotic(she/they)@beehaw.org
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    2 months ago

    I am unironically bearpilled in this context. Men can be fucking scary with women. At least I’m unlikely to be SA’d before I die, with the bear.

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      Why by default man is a serial killer and sa? What are the odds that dude is a psycho? What are the odds that bear is a killer? Do you understand how hard it is psychologically to murder someone if you are a normal person?

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        The man is not “by default” a serial killer and sa, its just a possibility I don’t want to entertain.

        And yes, hello, I am normal person. I understand how hard it is psychologically to murder someone. I also know how hard it is psychologically to SA someone. And yet…

        This is a “this is the option I would take” situation. I didn’t insult anyone, I didn’t say YOU have to take the bear. If you disagree, that’s perfectly okay, but you can’t tell me how I should feel, despite many men thinking that’s acceptable.

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        Odds of a sexual abuser need not be high for the man, they’re simply 0% for the bear.

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          Are you referring to me? I wouldn’t touch tiktok with a 10 foot pole, or any of the infinite scroll short form video things for that matter. I’m not on twitter either. Or tumblr.

          My POV is based on my personal experience and the experiences of women around me. And statistics!

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      Weird that you’re so afraid of black men that you’d prefer a bear over them.

      This is how George Floyd happens

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        What the fuck did I say about black men? White men (men, regardless of race, for that matter) scare the fuck out of me my guy

        E: You wouldn’t happen to be a… man would you? Would be very fitting with the whole “derailing a conversation about women feeling unsafe” thing.

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        You’re thinking Emmitt Til and that wasn’t because the white woman was afraid, it was because she was willing to go along with the white men.

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      But at least I could reason with a bear.

      Sure you can Steve Irwin, I somehow doubt that the bear can reason with you though.

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    I get the sentiment, but realistically I’ll still pick the random man. A man could kill or rape me. A bear is likely to kill me.

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      Actually a bear is very unlikely to come after you. I come from an extremely rural part of Alberta, Canada, and large bears would sometimes wander in and near town. They wouldn’t run around swiping people up and murdering them, they would just basically wander around eating garbage and looking for food. The reality is that if you were in the woods with a random bear, unless it was starving or you were near its Cubs, it likely wouldn’t see you as important.

      I’ll tell you what though. The bodies of indigenous women would get found in the woods sometimes. Bears didn’t put them there, men did.

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        Statistical error. Unlikely to encounter a bear; but per bear encounter, less likely to survive than per men encounter.

        Serial killers and rapists are very clever and because there exist serial killers who want to kill indigenous women in the woods, they will likely succeed. Bears have no such desire, and because indigenous women are clever they will avoid the bears.

        But I’m willing to bet that the odds of a random man being a rapist/murderer are much lower than a random bear deciding to kill me.

        It’s hard thing to think about because our brains want to rephrase the situation into taking account how likely it is to encounter men vs bears in the first place. That’s why this isn’t very applicable to, say, staying safe at night or in bars.

        …except it is. This is why, if you have to take a ride home with a strange man, it’s much safer to go with an arbitrary man of your choosing than the one who offers.

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        Actually statistics show that an encounter with a bear is orders of magnitude more dangerous than an encounter with a man. Obviously. I encounter 1000s of men as I was down the street and I’m not dead yet.

        Yes, it’s very unlikely to run into a bear. But if that’s the point you’re making, you’re missing the predicate of the question where the encounter is already assumed.

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    The bear discourse is the true measure of whether a given man is a red or green flag.

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      A colored flag means a sign giving a clue on something. It doesn’t define a person, and can only be used to describe some abstract fact. You can say “getting angry when talking about the bear discourse” is a redflag, but saying “a man is a red flag” is not correct

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        Yes, that’s my point. The response to the bear discourse reveals red or green flags.

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            Syntactically they should have used ‘displays’ not ‘is’ a green or red flag, but everyone divined the meaning of the damned sentence and the internet is garbage so who gives a rats

  • Leon_Frotsky [she/her, undecided]@hexbear.net
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    I’m incredibly bear pilled ngl, as long as I stay a decent distance from it and don’t do anything dumb I’ll be fine, with a random guy idk what might happen, there’s no certain set of rules to follow to get me out of the situation safely - I’ll probably be with a perfectly normal well adjusted guy or I might be with some super transphobe who sees a small visibly trans girl alone in the woods away from all civilisation with no witnesses or some incel who sees his opportunity to get some, regardless of consent. In the bear scenario, all of the power is in my hands to just make sure that I don’t do anything dumb and as long as I don’t I’ll be fine, in the man scenario I just have to trust the luck of the draw to give me a decent man to be alone in the woods with.

    • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      well a shark can’t swim out of the water, and it would also die. Unless we’re in an underwater forest, in which case we can’t breath. So uh…

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          i can’t answer the question unless i’m given more information smh.

          If we’re talking a magical forest shark, i’m not sure i want to ask questions about why it’s there. And why it hasn’t died yet, presumably. And if we’re in a wet environment, then i’m curious how that’s accomplished. The ocean is very big.