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    Honestly I think they look pretty good.

    But Elon is a fuck. And their build quality is shit. And I refuse to support that kind of company. And fuck people who do support them.

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      Idk, I talked with a bartender once who said he thought it would be amazing to drive one, and I said I didn’t think I could stomach it because of Musk, and he said I shouldn’t get political over a car. Well, they don’t interest me enough to ignore the Elon part.

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        I rented one in California. I was never been so frustrated with a car before in my life. There are no knobs, for ANYTHING. Everything is done through the touchscreen. Try navigating the A/C system in traffic. Or as the sun goes down and the screen brightness doesn’t dim, blinding you as you drive. I will never buy a Tesla, and it starts with the UI of the car. Elon is just the icing on that shit cake.

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          I watched a friend of mine try to parallel park hers once and just about died laughing at how shit the autopark was. She said it kept determining that the right lane was actually the curb, so it would go through all of the motions of parking and then just stop in the middle of the street. Every time I read about or interact with a Tesla, I feel like I find out about something else they added because it looks or sounds cool but doesn’t actually work.

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              This is one of the criticisms of the car that hits home for me. People are now replacing old Teslas which they bought ‘full self driving’ for without ever receiving the feature.

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          The UI is not the worst I’ve ever had in a car, it sacrifices a lot in favor of simplicity and/or software but a lot of simple tasks can be done through voice or happen automatically.

          Wipers are auto, headlights are auto, but if you need to adjust them without using a voice command, you’re gonna say “why can’t this just be like a normal car”

          You do get used to a lot of the quirks pretty quick. But there are a lot of quirks to get used to.

          Not an Elon fan, just got one for a steal of a deal through a family member.

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          sorry auto dimming and extra brightness are upgrade features not yet in the implementation pipeline :( lmao

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          Same exact story. The whole first 2 hours I’m constantly having my kids Google Google how to lock the car, how do we adjust the mirrors, how do we turn it on, how do we change the radio station, how do we turn on the air, etc etc etc. On the third day my daughter is just trying to open the door and she yells “why is this car so fucking annoying?!”

          It’s obvious it was designed by a child trying to look cool to the other kids.

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          The screen dims just fine on my 2019. A previous driver probably turned it off on yours for whatever reason.

          I also hate the lack of knobs but the voice commands and steering wheel buttons work well enough that I’ve come to terms with it.

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          They’re just another hatchback and you can’t really tell that it’s a tesla except for the logo.

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        It always blows my mind that capitalists say “then just vote with your wallet” until you use your wallet to vote differently than they want.

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      Honestly I think they look pretty good.

      They used to, but they haven’t updated them, so now they look dated

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        I’m not a car guy, I just don’t pay close attention. I drove a delivery van when the Tesla cars were gaining popularity, and I straight up had the thought one day how weird it was that there were a lot of '90s Ford Taurus sedans still on the road.

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        I won’t go so far to say they’re timeless, obviously, but I think the design has holding power. Their design language isn’t especially bold but it’s not out of place compared to newly released models from competitors. It’s disappointing that they haven’t made any bold changes, but I don’t think that means they’re dated.

        But still, fuck em.

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      Honestly, why? Their “no harsh edges, flowing contours” looked good in 2010 but is now completely played out and ugly. Coupled with the fact that no Tesla has had a facelift in nearly a decade, I think they’re the ugliest cars on the road rn.

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        the cabin height being a giant bubble is what i dislike. they pretend to be smaller cars than they are. a small tesla next to a normal crossover vehicle is a good way to remind yourself how big they actually are.

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        One man’s “all look similar” is another man’s “strong design language”. I think BMW kidney grills are played out 30 years ago, but some people love them. Lambo wedges are played out. Jeep boxes are played out. Etc.

        I personally like the no-harsh-edges look. I don’t think it’d look especially out of place if it was released this year.

        But don’t get me started on the interior.

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      To me they are the iPhone of cars. In a vacuum they are not bad looking, but every single one looks exactly the same. Just basic.

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        To me that’s kind of just the design language. Like how all BMWs look similar, or all Mazda’s look similar. Etc. Typically a strong recognizable brand is considered good, even in the auto industry.

        And really idgaf if they all look the same. Model s, smaller model s (3), bigass model s(x), medium size Model s(y). That’s fine. I don’t need a single brand to offer everything, I can go to other brands for variety.

        That said, fuck Tesla.

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      No kidding. They build disposable cars, and the entire electric car industry is headed in this direction.

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            My parents have a 2013 Model S that’s doing just fine. It’ll last 20 years I’m sure.

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              I don’t doubt it can last 20 years, but I doubt any Tesla will last as long as an average Toyota. We know batteries have limited cycles. When an engine takes a shit it’s a few grand. When batteries take a shit, you’ll never even consider replacing them because they’re 5x-10x more expensive than the car is worth. So off to the landfill. Definitely saving the planet or much money buying a higher end model Tesla.

              I think it becomes economical sensible for a lowest priced model 3 if you qualify for all the rebates (state and federal), otherwise it’s an early adopter tech toy.

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                There’s a lot of misinformation here that I’m not even going to bother to respond to

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                  Ya that would be difficult for a Tesla fan. Easier just to make a baseless claim and pretend you could but simply don’t want to refute anything with facts.

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    I just feel bad for people who went in during Elon’s “good” years (heavy quotations). He’s nothing but a glorified car salesman and a verified idiot now, but for a while there, some people just wanted a more sustainable car.

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      Yeah it was legitimately the only viable EV when I got one. I still love the car but am absolutely embarrassed by it because of that asshole.

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        Have you considered living your life and not worrying about what other people think?

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          Poorly worded on my part. I genuinely oppose everything Elon Musk stands for, so it’s more like cognitive dissonance than embarrassment.

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          There’s nothing wrong with or abnormal about being aware of your image or how you are perceived. Knowledge of self and self awareness and all that. Standard unavoidable reality of life.

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          Android was never the only player in the cell phone OS market. Tesla was the only player in the EV market until last year more or less

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            Android is still the only player in the cellphone market if you don’t want to be treated like a brain damaged gerbil who can’t be trusted with accessing a file system.

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            I think your perception of last year like mine toes back several by covid effect. Other brands have had comparable electric vehicles for years now, and even then Tesla was never alone in the EV market.

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    I hate Elon musk but Tesla is the best thing that happened to this planet because no other car manufacturer was bothered to do the groundwork required to get electric cars going. They lie and spread corruption before Elon came along.

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      Electric cars will do more harm than good; we need to give up the idea of atomized, individual transportation in its current state altogether. Electric cars are a heroin addict saying “well, I’m only snorting it now”. Yes, it’s harm reduction, but we need to stop it now, not some bullshit taper.

      Cars are not the future even if they were perfectly safe with an infinite energy source. I say this as a car guy. They are not the future for transportation, not for goods nor people. What’s propelling the cars is not the main issue.

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        We are not to the point of climate change where we can expect rapid, radical changes to the way the majority of Americans live. And when we hit that point, it won’t be made by complaining to the people driving cars, it will be made by politicians abolishing zoning laws, setting stronger restrictions on rent within cities, and heavy investment into public transportation.

        Blaming the huge number of people who can’t afford to live in a city and must drive an hour each way for work just makes you an asshole.

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          I’m not meaning to be disrespectible here, but if you think zoning laws, rent restrictions, or public transportation will have any noticeable impact on climate change, you’re kidding yourself.

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          Where did I blame anyone? I’m simply stating cars aren’t the future. The faster we figure out how to do that successfully, the better. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

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        A) society is not planned by a god that sees the most optimal path and picks it, it works like evolution tweaking and building and slightly shifting what came before it. Do you have a viable plan for convincing 7 billion people to give up their cars without literal revolution in the streets? No? Then guess, what, cars might be part of the future.

        B) from a basic ablist standpoint how are you going to get a frail 90 year old woman from the train station or her house without using a car? On a special bike with extra suspension and an enclosed carriage and a motor to haul all of that? Oh look you’ve designed a Pontiac Aztec!

        Should we all use trains? Yes. Should we all support the government buildout of more trains? Very yes. But it is flat out dogmatic to the point of absurdity to suggest that the future of transportation will not involve electric cars? Absolutely.

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    I gotta give it to them.

    The first two cars looked nice and they were the first to understand what makes an electric car good.

    But they fucking lost that too by removing everything from the dashboard and moving to a single screen in the middle. Their build quality is shit (Even Trabants had smaller panel gaps holy shit) Repair costs for simple fixes are out of this world (There was a video where a technician repaced a hose for the cooling system for 130$ where Tesla wanted to replace the whole battery for 20000$) Elon is a nutjob that keeps breaking promises.

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    Elon frustrated me cause he gets his grubby hands into way too much cool stuff

    Like bitch tesla and spacex were cool untill Elon got a Twitter account and wouldn’t shut up exposing how shit he is

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      I honestly really thought he was going to be an amazing person for humanity for like… a minute there. That’s a big part of my frustration. He’s in such an amazing position to do astounding things and he just sits around like a bully asking for attention instead of lunch money

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    I resemble this…sort of. Except my car is already paid for and I really don’t think it’s a wise decision to just blow money on another car simply to get out of a current vehicle that more than meets my needs.

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      Yeah,like if tomorrow everyone found out the CEO of Ford was a pedo, I promise you the supply of used F150’s wouldn’t suddenly skyrocket.

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      Fuck literally every gasoline car driver on the road more than you. I don’t own and hope to never own a car and Elon Musk can suck a fat fucking chode but a Tesla is still more respectable than every fossil fuel guzzling, planet destroying gasoline vehicle of comparable price

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      why would you sign up to pay elon every time you want to charge your car? like bro cut your loss already theres a reason the dudes the richest person in the world
      he’s already fucking owners who need warranty/fixes

      and the way he’s dropping his MSRP the resale value are gonna be tanking cant wait when he decides he “needs” to charge more for electricity now that the price is so cheap and the resale is gonna tank even more

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        I think you forgot that the alternative is to support a different douche-ey billionaire and subscribe yourself to 5x more expensive climate killing big oil?

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        I charge at home for $0.058/kWh. The company that provides it is also local and it does create local jobs.

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        I’m guessing Tesla owners can and do charge at home. I have a Leaf, and I’ve only used public chargers a few times. Under 100k miles cost of repairs shouldn’t be much of an issue.

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    This is classic cognitive disonnance. If they liked the person who made the car, I’m almost certain their mind would be different. This phenomena is particularly obvious whenever you see something that was once popular fall from grace. See the conversation around Justin Roiland or even Reddit before and after their respective controversies. You start to see the people say things to the tune of “blank was never good anyway.”

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        That’s what I thought. Cognitive dissonance is holding conflicting ideas/positions/beliefs. This can be a purely mental, for example someone believing that evolution isn’t real because of their religion while simultaneously knowing that we have a common ancestor with chimps. It can also have a mixture of behaviors, like knowing that smoking is bad but doing it anyway or knowing you need to study/work but procrastinating anyway.

        Where is the conflicting idea here? I think that telsa’s are ugly. Now that could certainly be an emotion-loaded motivational bias which has changed my perception of the cars (motivated thinking). But fuck it, yeah I do motivated thinking just like everyone else. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean that I have cognitive dissonance.

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          Not quite. Cognitive dissonance is not the act of holding disparate beliefs. It is the mental discomfort that people are SUPPOSED to feel holding two disparate beliefs. Nothing more.

          Cognitive dissonance is the exact thing missing from the kinds of people you describe.

          I don’t care what your opinion of the cars are (their build quality and after market support make them trash regardless), just trying to clear up the actual meaning of “cognitive dissonance”.

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    Fuck Elon, but dammit, Tesla cars look sleek, this guy is wrong.

    And Superchargers >>>> Every other charger as of right now.

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      They look old compared to other new cars, i’ve seen enough of that design.

      The Tesla Y gotta be one of the ugliest cars from behind that i know, it does look like a Model 3 just out of proportion.

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        Yeah the Y is proportionally all wrong haha, it looks like an overweight 3. The only Tesla I like is the S but still much prefer an i4, or even an EQE.

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    The fact that they put the emergency release for the rear doors inside the speaker grille is enough for me to never buy one

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