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Canada should issue an advisory for people travelling to Alberta
About damned time. I was checking the LGBT travel advisories a few months ago, and was surprised that the US was green. Absolutely no way should anyone be travelling to Florida.
There’s a state-by-state map updated last in June here: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/june-anti-trans-legislative-risk
Look at that light blue for my state! It’s not the best but I’m still so proud of our progress. Can’t wait for it to be the darker blue.
What is the name of the “Do not travel” state?
I mean, this map is for travelers to the US, people who don’t know the map exactly.
That’s the turd dingleberry that we call Florida.
It’s labeled in the other photo fyi
TIL there’s more maps further down. 🤦
I mean, good call, Canada.
So Canadá is going to let trans people get treatment with informed consent model, right?
Right?
Some of our states are really good for trans people. A map of which regions yo avoid would be far more helpful than a blanket warning.
Not getting treatment with informed consent =/////////= US risks
If trans people die after being denied by the sexologist, then the safety is illusory.
We cannot exist when we are merely tolerated.
Some of the states actually do give a fuck about us and it’s important to call that out along with the states that want us dead.
I agree with everything you said, but the comment I replied too doesn’t relate to the post.
The post refer to states in the US were LGBTQ members are literally being shot dead.
Erin Reed maintains a pretty good one:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/june-anti-trans-legislative-riskYes her map is good, I just wish it didn’t show “states with a possibility in 2 years” in such a dark red color as it is misleading when compared to like… Actual bad states.
A lot of states with those laws probably also have “Stand Your Ground” laws and loose guns regulations, so really nobody should go there.
also have “Stand Your Ground” laws
What exactly do you think these laws mean?
Trayvon Martin
What about him?
Those laws basically say it’s OK to shoot someone if you feel threatened. You can practically get away with murdering someone for looking at you the wrong way.
That’s not at all what they say. They “basically” say that you don’t have a duty to run away from someone who is actively attacking you.
Fine, maybe I misinterpreted why people think it’s OK to shoot at people for knocking on their door or pulling into the wrong driveway. I still don’t want to go to places where people are likely to do that.
The actual risk of being effected is still pretty low.
ITT: Crying americans because other countries realize what a shit show america is
Global Affairs Canada warned
Is this an NGO or a GO?
This is an official government warning confirmed by the Deputy Prime Minister. From the source:
Asked why the guidance had been updated, Canadian Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland told reporters in Atlantic Canada that the government employed experts “to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians”.
She declined to comment when asked whether there had been discussions with the US government before making the change.
A rare good take by Freeland
Queer Nazis really coming up in this world now
Most Canadian GO follow a [Purpose] Canada naming scheme. If you want a SIN (equivalent to an SSN) you got to Services Canada. You get your weather warnings from Enviroment Canada. Drugs are related by Health Canada. Natural Resources Canada does the obvious. Parks Canada does National Parks. Transport Canada does highways and waterways.
I mean, stay the hell away from Florida and you should be ok.
Calls for violence against queer people are being broadcast everywhere, not just in red states. Also learn to care about people trapped in red states.
What do you mean? Some massive nerd on here the other day was telling me how its totally easy to move, and people who don’t are just choosing to stay poor and marginalized!
“It’s Florida and Texas and red states that are the problem,” I tell myself as my entire country continues to collapse in a thousand different ways. “It’s Florida and Texas and red states. If we just had 60 Democrats in the senate and a more moderate SCOTUS (like in 2008), everything everywhere would be perfect! I mean, just look at all Obama managed to accomplish during that time! Endless drone strikes, corporate welfare, and a health care “plan” endorsed by the Heritage Foundation that made no difference to health insurance prices (which continued to rise as though nothing had happened) and left tens of millions of people uninsured or underinsured and which led to tens of thousands of deaths over the years due to lack of coverage—and that was before the pandemic even started! It’s not the system designed by genocidal slave owners that’s the problem, we just need to get rid of the corrupt elites and replace them with GOOD elites and everything will work itself out!”
Until Democratic centrists sacrifice trans people to pass various “must pass” bills after House GOP reps put poison-pill regulations into them and try to make a new Hyde Amendment, prohibiting Federal support for gender-affirming care and opening the door to outright legal discrimination federally.
And that’s assuming they don’t lose the Senate/Presidency.
Democratic Centralists would never do something like this
Democrat Centrists tho…
Democratic Centralists:
Demoncrat/Republikhan “Centrists”:
that’s it, i depicted them as the wojak and us as the chad. Communism has been achieved
unless one of the frothing right-wing psychos who’s full up on nazi propaganda decides you’re a groomer and hate crimes you, which can happen in any state in the u.s.
Or anywhere in the world. Rare events that get heavily reported in the US do not paint the overall picture of LGBT experience.
Why are you so adamant in downplaying the crimes of a nation that has passed almost 500 anti trans laws this year alone?
Because these are the games of politicians. Try being trans in rural China, India, pretty much anywhere in the African continent or anywhere in the middle east. Come visit and see if you’d like. I’ve been to these places and if you don’t believe me look at other travel advisories. The risk to travelers is being blown out of proportion and just because the media is doing this it doesn’t mean that educated individuals hanging out in Lemmy communities need to propogate this garbage. Do I want politicians to get their shit together? Yes! Do travelers need to eat up the media fear that pours out like a fire hose these days? No, it’s rubbish.
Do I want politicians to get their shit together? Yes!
I want politicians to get their shit chopped apart
I’m not saying that other parts of the world are all safe, i’m saying that it’s entirely proportional to issue a travel warning for the US, and that you’re deliberately downplaying the rise of institutional and societal transphobia in Amerika.
Fuck off tourist
K link me to the most recent time somebody got murdered in Canada for flying a pride flag since it happens everywhere at the same rate.
Better be in the last week BTW.
The rates are not the same everywhere. Perhaps one of the best reports for what you are looking for can be found from https://transrespect.org/en/press/
It’s nice that you link to the site that puts out the trans murder monitoring. You should probably look up how the USA usually scores in that before you embarass yourself further.
Amerika is at the point where people in California get shot for flying a rainbow flag.
No it’s really not.
Recommend doing a bit of real traveling. As far as things go on a global scale a lot more FUD comes out of the US because it is an absolute media machine and everyone has their eyes glued on it at all times. As far as real world acceptance of LGBT it doesn’t get much better anywhere globally than California. In my experience other than perhaps, some select parts of Western Europe, the comfort level for LGBT travelers is much higher in the US than most places. There are cesspools like Florida that stand out, but this travel warning is largely propaganda.
No it’s really not.
It was a pointed example, since it happened like a week ago:
https://apnews.com/article/pride-flag-store-shooting-california-b2bd4f89e992356f35d2101cdf665acb
Ah, then I think you meant to say, “A person” in California.
I didn’t make the initial comment and also you are just sniveling at this point
Go back to reddit
As far as real world acceptance of LGBT it doesn’t get much better anywhere globally than California.
Have you heard of Cuba?
Yes, I’ve heard it’s lovely but probably have to go through Florida to visit.
The amazingly free and open USA makes it difficult for American citizens to visit Cuba, which treats gay and trans people better than any state in the USA.
How do they make it difficult? I know several people that have visited and had no issues to complain of. I was half joking about the Florida thing, just going through the airport there probably wouldn’t be as bad as walking the streets.
are you lgbt?
I’ve been harassed and attacked in one of the safest cities for queer people in the US - it’s only safe anywhere in the country if you’re white. so no, this isn’t true.
The Canadian government, famous for doing anti-US propaganda.
I live less than 2 hours from the Canadian border in one of the most progressive states and there’s trucks in town painted red white and blue with 3% logos and the moaning labia shit.
There’s another one with two stickers on the back window “kill your local pedophile” with somebody getting shot execution style and “democrats are pedophiles”
Everywhere in America 30 minutes outside a major city is like that.
Yup - northern state, near Canada, usually blue voters. Regularly see thin blue line stickers, confederate flags, punisher skulls, thin blue line themed punisher skulls, “protect our children” slogans n shit…hell I’ve seen at least a couple black suns on cars around here, which is a lot more mask off than I expected (and waaaaaay more alarming)
moaning labia
and the moaning labia shit.
what is that?
Moan abe or however they took it. Means come.and take it apparently it’s what the Spartans said to the Persians at Thermopoli.
An ironic line because if you learned history from something other than a homoerotic Zac Snyder movie you would know the Persians responded with “k” then killed them all
Molon labe.
then sparta lost their king, his honor guard, the elite of their army AND a highly defensible pass that they were supposed to be able to hold for months
and this all happened in a few days.
Yeah, those are hillbillies - they are all over the place. Many of them are actually homosexual believe it or not. If we are talking bumper stickers though, can’t say I’ve come across many anti-LGBT ones. Mostly confederate flags and black and white flags with blue stripes all in the generic grab bag of generalized hatred. I stay away from those people / areas as it’s just not my crowd, but not sure what this has to do with the safety of LGBT visitors to the US. Linking these stickers to that is a pretty broad sweep.
generalized hatred.
not sure what this has to do with the safety of LGBT visitors to the US
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Anti-LGBT protests in the US rose 30-fold last year compared with 2017, while legal moves to restrict LGBT rights are on the rise.
The term 2SLGBTQI+ is widely used in Canada for people who consider themselves two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning or intersex.
“Since the beginning of 2023, certain states in the US have passed laws banning drag shows and restricting the transgender community from access to gender-affirming care and from participation in sporting events,” they told CBC News.
In March, Tennessee’s governor signed laws banning drag performances in front of children and restricting medical treatment for transgender youth.
Two months later, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed bills banning children from undergoing transgender medical treatments or going to drag shows, and restricting pronoun use in classrooms.
On Monday, a mural in Florida dedicated to Irish journalist Lyra McKee, who was shot dead in 2019, was defaced with a swastika and anti-LGBT graffiti.
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2SLGBTQI+
I support diversity and Im happy to let anyone be whoever they want to be, as long as they are not hurting anyone, but we need to stop adding letters to the LGBTQ community.
What “risks” are they talking about?
Hate crimes.
and 
cannot resist the temptation of committing hate crimes, and the pleasure they get from making innocents suffer.I don’t know what these things are. Are you suggesting that there’s an exception for crimes committed against these people?
There literally is in most states, depending on the judge:
There literally is not. That’s a legal defense that lawyers use. It doesn’t instantly exonerate the crime.
depending on the judge
To treat it as a valid legal defense is an abomination and judges have countless times ruled in favor of the perpetrator on just the basis of that defense.
That’s not a legal exception, that’s just a corrupt judge. Do you not have those in Canada?
Do you understand how precedent works in the US court system? I mean, I fully agree that US judges and laws are corrupt, but it doesn’t change the fact that those laws and judges are still upheld by the state
Total exceptions? No. But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people. That, and some politicians are encouraging hate crimes against them with hateful rhetoric about them being “groomers” and whatnot.
But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people.
You say that like it’s explicitly allowed by the state. It isn’t. It’s a legal defense lawyers use in court. Whether or not it’s legitimate is determined by a jury.
You say that like it’s explicitly allowed by the state.
It is. Keeping it a valid legal defense is a policy choice. Some states banned it, they chose to. Other states have not, they decided not to. That’s politics.
But it’s not a valid legal defense. You cannot ban a lawyer from putting it forward as a legal defense.
Except you actually can, and many states have
You literally can, just like any number of other valid bases for objections to arguments put forward. If the judge rules it to be such a defense, it would be struck from the record and the jury instructed to disregard it, and if the lawyer keeps on it, they would be held in contempt of court. Furthermore, if it is plainly a case of such a defense and the judge lets it fly, the prosecution can claim mistrial.
Perhaps there are other ways of banning it, but that is the obvious one in the American framework.
gAy PaNiC is never legitimate.
Tell that to the jury. What are you expecting to happen?
Wow, it is almost like a place where juries let people off on the gay panic defense is a place that is unsafe to be as a trans person.
I’ll tell em you’re gay and I panicked
the state, inside and outside courtrooms, to shut down hate crimes.
You need to learn that whether something is explicit or not doesn’t matter as much as what is happening in effect.
But that “effect” has nothing to do with the US…
Yes, because no jury members live in the US corporate media ecosystem which pushes vile transphobia constantly with the support of the US government.
by the police? absolutely
Police don’t need exceptions for anyone.
the police are the exception
So then we agree this is nothing to do with 2SLGBTQI+ people?
the relevant states have made a legal push to criminalize being queer in public
https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states
2SLGBTQI+ travellers Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons. Check relevant state and local laws.
And then it links to: https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/health-safety/lgbt-travel
Thanks for that. Is there a section for people who don’t like cats?
Use Ctl-F. Got your answer? Now go away.
2SLGBTQI+ is widely used in Canada for people who consider themselves two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning or intersex.
Yeah I don’t believe that lol, tf is that nonsense if a term
When speaking I always try and say LGBT+, the “+” being everyone else. Or just queer, which is a decent cover-all on it’s own. The ever longer acronyms get in the way of the point.
think we need to solve this with some regex. Do they accept wild card * ?
we’re adding letters every time you complain about it.
For early adopters, the term “Two Spirit” was a deliberate act to differentiate and distance themselves from non-Native gays and lesbians
Differentiating yourselves from an already marginalized group? That’s a bold move Cotton…
Cishets try to understand queer identities and queer solidarity challenge, difficulty: impossible
Just physically say 2SLGBTQI+ out loud and hear how ridiculous that sounds.
what sounds ridiculous is bigot lips flapping.
Just physically say abiogenesis out loud and hear how ridiculous that sounds.
It sounds fucking dumb.
2SLGBTQ is a common term in the queer community where I’m from.
ah just rolls off the tongue doesn’t it
Girl on the left got some big ass tittays
2SLGBTQI+
I wonder how many fucking numbers and letters they will keep adding over the fucking years.
Gay people talk shit about it 24/7, it’s becoming a fucking joke of a name.
Edit: Random fucking morons attacking me and calling me a bigot, you are truly a bunch of imbecile.
customized snoo
cool snoo, ledditor
I love the LGBTQ+ acronym because it pisses off assholes
All of you trans people are hateful.
lmao go eat some grass nerd
Edit: Random fucking morons attacking me and calling me a bigot, you are truly a bunch of imbecile.
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LMAOOO now go make your Hexbear cyberbullying callout post on Estonian potato forums
“The minorities are bullying me! Help, help, I’m being repressed! Come see the violence inherent in their mockery!”
oh no I posted bigotry and now they’re calling me out for bigotry - I’m the real victim here.
BREAKING: China’s new Bureau of Gender has announced 121,890 new genders. Furthermore, the PM announced yesterday “Every Christian church in Shanghai will be replaced by a gay club.”
no more half measures walter 👍
I don’t give a shit.
🤖 + 👶 🧠
Did i just trick it with a fake news headline lmao
I love how people like you piss and cry over LQBTQIA+ which is an 8 letter acronym but managed to learn the higher amount of letters in an alphabet and didn’t act like a whiney piss baby then.
I bet you’ll be able to tell me encyclopaedic knowledge of either gaming, sports, TV, movies or programming depending on your interests though.
Go learn to think man baby.
my totally real gay friends think you’re silly, that’s why you have to police your activism to appeal to me.
Fuck off.
you are quoting something I did not say, you too, can fuck right off to an eye exam.
“My name is @Echo71Niner@lemm.ee an rainbows make me cry!”
All of you trans people are hateful.
We know how to read between the lines, you’re not subtle dickhead
you are a fucking idiot.
You never heard of paraphrasing?
Illiterate and bigoted, name a more iconic duo.
every time you complain about it we add more
I wonder how many fucking numbers and letters they will keep adding over the fucking years.
Numbers and letters over the years:
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself”
Galations 5:14
“Be genial, sweet and kind towards your companions.”
Mino-ī-Kherad, II.7
“For my people are foolish; they know me not; they are stupid children; they have no understanding. They are ‘wise’—in doing evil! But how to do good they know not.”
Jeremiah 4:22
You named yourself after a washer as best I could tell, not quite sure what point you’re trying to make. Are you also gonna bump your name out a bit to get with the times or are you gonna grow old and mad with the years?
Eat shit and die, bigot
you are an imbecile.
What’s your life worth?
we will keep including people until you choke on it, bigot
Honestly, including people is why i prefer just saying queer over using acronyms. It’s completely open-ended, it doesn’t create a hierachy based on who gets named first and who ends up with one of the slots behind the LGBT that may or may not be included by a given speaker, it’s easy to use, it doesn’t shoehorn people into rigid categories and makes it easy to fit in for people who are questioning or have complex identities - and it pisses off the exact type of bourgousified, reactionary, assimilationist, racist, mysogynist, transphobic, biphobic cis gays that the farthead you’re replying to refers to when they bring up how supposedly “gay people shit talk” all of this.
same tbh, plus i find i trip over acronyms a lot and it gives Certain Assholes the feeling that they can use that as a vector for attack (“it’s so complicated even they can’t keep track!” etc)
supposedly “gay people shit talk” all of this.
worth mentioning scumfuck up there only added that bit after getting criticized for their bigotry. homophobes are all magically harvey milk’s favorite nephew the instant someone calls them out.
worth mentioning scumfuck up there only added that bit after getting criticized for their bigotry. homophobes are all magically harvey milk’s favorite nephew the instant someone calls them out.
Yeah that’s common, i see that a lot both online and irl and they always mean somebody like that one gay dude in their QAnon chat group who dates muslim men exclusively while also wanting to genocide them.
I do the same for similar reasons.
That said, i don’t mind when ohter people go with the acronyms, and it often tells you a lot about the background of the person using it. Like, i see that it starts with 2S, i immediately know they’re Canadian because that’s the only place in the world doing that. Or when somebody still says GLBT like they did before AIDS, i know i’m reading a post from a cis gay boomer. And when i see something including LGBTT, i know they’re a transmedicalist and possibly from Southwest Germany and think you’re not valid if you don’t get bottom surgery.
Are the two Ts for counting “transsexual” and transgender as different things that are both included?
Yea
TERF ass trans people
disagree, queer is not all encompassing. if you dont identify as queer but you still want to identify with the community the acronym is still the best descriptor. as for the order, i do support updating it by putting trans first and pushing bisexuals down the list in favor of pansexuals.
Why would you change the order? It implies some level of arbitary importance to certain unique struggles over others which I don’t think is healthy while we all share the same acronym.
Also L should stay at the front because that relates more to gay history and the allyship shown by women during the AIDS epidemic to provide blood to sufferers and L comes first to honor that.
You know why the L in LGBT goes first, right? For me that’s very important and I’ll never change that.
queer is not all encompassing
It’s literally a catchall term for anybody who’s not het, cis, allo or endo.
pushing bisexuals down the list in favor of pansexuals
As a bisexual trans woman exclusively dating t4t, let’s NOT start the “bi is actually transphobic, you should call yourself pan” nonsense debate. It always leads to awful bad faith discussions, pushes bi erasure and completely ignores any and all actually transphobic dating behavior, of which there is plenty, none of which is connected to calling yourself bisexual.
pushing bisexuals down the list in favor of pansexuals.
Bad take, considering bi erasure exists.
im not trying to do a bi erasure, bi people are valid. im just saying as someone who was bi sexual who later became pan sexual after learning about the term i just think changing some of the letters around would be good ways to raise awareness about different genders and sexualities in the acronym. so many people know what lgbt is but they dont really know the plus part. the first four are really important to the broader conception of gender and sexual identity as a whole. look if we can change the flag i dont think the acronym is sacrosanct either, i do however think we need an acronym.
i think lesbian, gay, and bisexual should be lower on the acronym. i think trans people should be first since they are receiving most of the targeting and attacks out of any group in the community right now, i think pansexuals, asexuals, and nonbinaries could really benefit from a representation bump. TPAN, rolls off the tongue. we can keep lgbt too. nobody got rid of the pride flag after the progress flag. both can exist at the same time. i just think its a representation issue.
Lemm.ee ass take
pushing bisexuals down the list in favor of pansexuals
why
I don’t follow - my understanding of the term is that it encompasses everyone who fits under the umbrella. if you’re not under the umbrella, the acronym isn’t going to fit either, no? can you give me an example of who you mean?
I’ve seen/heard of people specifically disavowing the term “queer” for their personal identity, but only a couple times and I, like others here, much prefer “queer” as a catchall term for brevity in all cases where there isn’t someone objecting to it being applied to them.
yeah, I’d be curious to learn why. like I’m all for a different umbrella term but it’s hard to pick one without understanding the complaint.
Because queer is a slur many of us have been called by bigots
I’m guilty of using queer without considering who I’m talking to.
When I talk to boomer gays and use queer as a catchall term I’ve seen visible recoil.
To them queer was a slur similar to foxtrot-Oscar-gay-gay-oscar-triceratops (I can’t remember the phonetic alphabet) and was used to oppress and attack them at least in the UK.
And like yeaaah, it was even when I was in school up until like 2010s so its not as reclaimed with the older generation as we’d like to hope because of lived experience from what I’ve seen which is fair.
So as a result I don’t use it around older gay men and use the acronym since queer genuinely seems to bring back a lot of the 80s gay panic trauma for them I guess.
I’d liken it to when a cis friend called me triceratops-rain-alpha-november-november-yacht as a in-joke he assumed i knew since he knows a fair few trans people who are reclaiming that term on twitter but for me that word is full of trauma and I was like “nope, I’m not in that community please don’t ever say that again”.
I called him a chaser cos he has a trans gf and said it was reclaimed by friends of mine with trans gfs and he got the message why you can’t assume reclaimed words have the same gravity with each individual.
I guess I see queer in a similar vein, I guess the difference is the time since it was reclaimed is the big difference.
I don’t think we need a new umbrella term but I think it’s important for us to remember others experiences with reclaimed words before we assume them to be gospel (despite most gay publications I’ve seen using it fine).
I dunno, I’m trying to be mature and empathic 😭😭😭
There are four letters in the headline of this article. Is that too many for you?
In 2026 it will be 13 letters.
it’s going to be 10000 letters, bigot
LEARN THE FUCKING ACRONYM!!!Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think even the LGBT+ community gets annoyed with it. It’s the media that seems to want to keep adding letters to this ever-growing acronym.
In my opinion, it just makes the whole thing seem more like a joke to the people who want to find reasons to dislike the movement.
People who are homophobic or transphobic don’t care what terminology we use. We could literally only use the word “gay” and they would absolutely continue to hate us.
Also, the use of progressive terminology originates within the queer community. 2SLGBTQ as an acronym began being used specifically to acknowledge two spirit people, who have faced a great amount of racism and queerphobia even from within the queer community. This term was neither invented by the media nor popularized by it.
Except you attack everyone the same, so fuck off.
Gay people talk shit about it 24/7, it’s becoming a fucking joke of a name.
Which is apparently working, looking at the upset boomers in comment chains like this one.
I’ve been saying for years if we just said queer and trans we could pretty much capture the whole thing. In a lot of ways I think straight cis folks and corporate culture are some of the main drivers of the alphabet soup acronym because they can’t imagine saying queer.
I have learned from this thread that ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE HATEFUL PEOPLE.
Does the US need to put out a warning to disabled travelers? Go to Canada and they will tell you to kill yourself.
