• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    3253·
    1 year ago

    Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D

    I’m going to the blahaj one

    Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.

      • Scanzy@lemmy.world
        531·
        1 year ago

        It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.

        We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.

        • vinnythegooch9@lemmy.world
          15·
          1 year ago

          Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.

          • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            11·
            1 year ago

            What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.

            But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.

            • Jaarsh119@lemmy.world
              3·
              1 year ago

              I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong

              • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                2·
                1 year ago

                They aren’t connected except that the same mods run them. We don’t, or haven’t so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn’t be an issue.

                And then we’re also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.

      • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
        292·
        1 year ago

        it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol

        Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.

        • Klaboesterbeer@feddit.nl
          10·
          1 year ago

          By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.

          • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
            8·
            1 year ago

            I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.

            Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.

            • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              6·
              1 year ago

              Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.

              Hope that happens.

          • Aphonefriend@lemm.ee
            4·
            1 year ago

            But the point is to have different people in charge in case anyone gets full of themselves. See: reddit

        • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yeah I think people are trying to force/recreate Reddit in its entirety on a single platform, and that’s not going to happen.

          And I didn’t think of it, but yeah having one to check out when the other one’s down is good.

    • Pamasich@kbin.social
      83·
      1 year ago

      I got a response from them on Reddit:

      We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.

      • Scanzy@lemmy.world
        13·
        1 year ago

        That makes a lot of sense.

        I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.

        • CoderKat@lemm.ee
          8·
          1 year ago

          Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it’s simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.

          It also doesn’t have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren’t likely to target it. Though I’ve personally been using a browser cause I haven’t found any apps to be good enough yet.

          Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don’t show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn’t work if your comment wasn’t on the first page of comments.

          • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            1 year ago

            It’s still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?

            But it’s a much much newer instance. We’ll see, but I think it has potential.

        • Meldrik@lemmy.wtf
          2·
          1 year ago

          I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.

        • Desistance@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It’s still an early beta. I’m not sure who designed Lemmy’s ui but it could use some spit polish.

    • TeaHands@lemmy.world
      701·
      1 year ago

      Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.

    • sunaurus@lemm.ee
      39·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?

      • livus@kbin.social
        61·
        1 year ago

        Maybe they didn’t realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?

        I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!

          • Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee
            15·
            1 year ago

            There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.

            • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
              51·
              1 year ago

              I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.

              They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.

      • sunaurus@lemm.ee
        46·
        1 year ago

        The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅

        • I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social
          71·
          1 year ago

          True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.

          I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.

          • CoderKat@lemm.ee
            3·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.

            I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.

        • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
          5·
          1 year ago

          I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        8·
        1 year ago

        It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other

    • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.

      I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.

      It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.

      I like choice.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        6·
        1 year ago

        Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.

    • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      2·
      1 year ago

      We weren’t sure which to go with; also… there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.

      So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like… squabbles too?) (I should check that…) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.

  • OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com
    208·
    1 year ago

    For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!

    Is such a fun line.

        • OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com
          891·
          1 year ago

          Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.

          Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)

          After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.

          Thanks for asking.

      • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        31·
        1 year ago

        Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.

        That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.

        Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.

      • tryagain@lemmy.ml
        5·
        1 year ago

        Oh please please please. And the companion suicide and kamikaze subs too. All absolute gems.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    166·
    1 year ago

    This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.

    • Pumpkinbot@lemmy.world
      117·
      1 year ago

      From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.

      The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.

      • OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com
        89·
        1 year ago

        I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.

        But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)

        Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.

        Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.

      • Uphillbothways@lemmy.world
        26·
        1 year ago

        There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.

        I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.

        • zarmanto@lemmy.world
          17·
          1 year ago

          Don’t forget to go back a week out and verify that your deleted comments didn’t mysteriously reappear. Seems like that’s been happening a lot lately, according to various reports. (I haven’t really had the heart to go delete all of my own comments. Yet.)

          • Cabrio@lemmy.world
            12·
            1 year ago

            Get your account banned, boom, comments gone. If you want to cause additional pain GDPR request on your banned account every 30 days. They still have to comply with requests as long as they hold your data. Make them work even though you don’t use the site.

        • tabular@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          I heard one guy had manually deleted their comments only to find sometime later they were restored.

      • ItsWizardTime@lemmy.world
        22·
        1 year ago

        I was saying this from day one, we aren’t teachers or nurses or someone who may feel they owe society some information about their strike.

        People literally could not promise to stay away from a website for a week. The strike should have been indefinite it was our chance to try and save it. Now it’s lost to me.

      • Epicurus0319@lemmy.world
        93·
        1 year ago

        Because they can’t bear to touch grass for more than 2 days and can’t live without their power trip

  • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    1063·
    1 year ago

    Oh damn, that’s us!!

    We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!

    So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case. Better safe than sorry.

    We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)

    • Revan343@lemmy.ca
      251·
      1 year ago

      Just want to say, “it’s been swell, but the swelling’s gone down” is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing

      • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        21·
        1 year ago

        It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.

        We were like, “Shit… Is… Is this on purpose? Are the people behind kbin some kind of weirdos who believe in 3:4 aspect ratio supremacy??” so we thought, “Eh… Maybe we’d better make a Lemmy too, in case kbin doesn’t figure their shit out”.

        Because, honestly? Our faith in humanity was at an all-time low and we were running out of time before people began leaving reddit for new platforms. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks, right?

        • Lee Duna@lemmy.nzOP
          71·
          1 year ago

          It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.

          I can only suggest to use mobile app. So far I don’t see any problem with image handling on mobile app. On desktop and mobile browser you might want to use voyager https://vger.app

    • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?

      • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        5·
        1 year ago

        We probably wouldn’t delete it, just leave a link at the top explaining we’ve migrated and lock it so it isn’t accepting new posts.

        I wouldn’t want someone who submitted a treasured photo and got a bunch of positive feedback to lose it forever in the name of ruthless efficiency.

            • Bucky@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 year ago

              Well I didn’t make that, I found it. Reddit used to have a bunch of these too. Anyway I saw someone ask the admin of the server to incorporate it and make it available if you went to old.Lemmy.world. He said maybe. @ruud please?

    • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      2·
      1 year ago

      To add to that, there was a bit of a time limit in which we had reason to believe we needed to secure the name so that it wouldn’t be taken by certain persons and then just sat upon with no activity.

      • jiji@lemmy.world
        33·
        1 year ago

        For your reference: for all intents and purposes there isn’t one. Lemmy accounts can interact and follow kbin communities and vice versa. You don’t need accounts on both, though you can if you choose.

        • Khaelas@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 year ago

          But are these actually the same communities?

          Or do they count as separate ones on separate instances which uses created with that instance specific account?

          I think they’re 2 spearate communities? Which does confuse things.

          Although the link worked on Connect for the Lemmy one so that’s what I’ll be using anywau

          • jiji@lemmy.world
            18·
            1 year ago

            You mean for this specific case? Yes, they’re two separate communities which is why it was disadvantageous to create a community on both kbin and Lemmy—if they made just one, that one community could share subscribers and comments and such from all Lemmy instances (that aren’t defederated) as well as kbin. They didn’t need to make separate accidentalrenaissance communities but they did.

            I’m not a fan of the e-mail analogy overall, but here it works. It’s like they created a gmail account and an aol account, thinking only gmail accounts could email each other and only aol accounts could email each other. But really, if they made only a gmail account then both gmail and aol would be able to communicate easily.

            • everythingsucks@lemmy.world
              7·
              1 year ago

              Maybe they went ahead and grabbed both, one will eventually become more popular and the popular one will stay running while they just have the other one directing people to the popular one.

            • lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee
              3·
              1 year ago

              Mods can set a community so only mods can post in it. They can make that change and leave a message redirecting everyone to the other community to consolidate it.

          • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            1 year ago

            One mod team working on two communities. We may consolidate to one or the other at a later date.

            We were honestly afraid that either Lemmy or Kbin would self-destruct so we wanted to have one to fall back on and we weren’t happy with how either handled images.

        • pfannkuchen_gesicht@lemmy.one
          141·
          1 year ago

          yeah… I think this exactly the kind of stuff that annoys people and discourages people to join. Now that they moved here they get told they did it wrong because they chose the wrong instance… despite everyone first saying it doesn’t matter and you shouldn’t think too hard about your choice because “federation, yay!”

          • DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world
            5·
            1 year ago

            What discourages people to join is not knowing which instance to join. Which is exactly how we got two communities branching off like this.

            What discourages people from joining is acting like “federation Yay” is actually a selling point instead of a nuisance that you have to accept. Just look at the downvotes this got in minutes. How is that encouraging?

        • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          8·
          1 year ago

          We setup on Blahaj because when we were trying to setup AccidentalRenaissance, we didn’t know we were one letter over the arbitrary 20 letter limit on community names, and there wasn’t even an error message for it, so we were pounding our heads against the wall trying to figure out why we couldn’t setup anywhere on any server.

          And we didn’t make a big fuss about who we were either. We were just looking to setup an instance. Just some randos as far as anyone knew. So we asked for help.

          The admins of Blahaj personally told us what the problem was and when I asked if it was an absolute limit they said it wasn’t, and raised their limit. Just for us. Some random-ass strangers. They changed their server just so someone wouldn’t have to shorten their name.

          So that’s how Blahaj scored AccidentalRenaissance.

          Given how many actual Renaissance artists were legitimately, deeply, obsessively queer? Yeah, it fits.

          • DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Because it actually does make a difference an dthats why they started two communities on different instances.

        • Saneless@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yes and no. Yes it’s good to have a larger presence as say the “canonical” sub, but on the other hand having them on smaller instances is overall the better play

          • DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            To what end? The more spread out they are the less engagement they have and the sub flounders. Look at what happened to r/android. Went from being one of the largest communities on lemmy.world to puttering along on their new instance, losing a good chunk of users back to Reddit where everything is simple and in one place.

          • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Betamax was the better play versus VHS, but we all know how that ended.

            In social gatherings people will want to gather in the same place, and then maybe break off into smaller groups for more precise social interactions. That’s kind of the standard normal human thing.

            The problem with Federation is it doesn’t honor that. It has everyone create small specific social gatherings on their own, and then having someone from each small gallery run between the different social gathering groups to share what each other is saying

            I get on paper how Federation is the best way to go, and I do agree with that. The problem is the human population kind of want all people to all gather in one place, and not try to figure out where they have to gather at.

    • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      5·
      1 year ago

      Because when this all happened, both had serious drawbacks and we were a bit afraid that either kbin or Lemmy might spontaneously combust altogether and we’d have nothing.

      Our trust in social networks was not exactly great at that moment.

      We might consolidate to one or the other in the future.

  • AssPennies@lemmy.world
    90·
    1 year ago

    That’s pretty daring of them to do, they’re risking their severance package by so publicly making their former employer look so bad. Oh wait…

  • M_whcddczcdc@lemmy.world
    743·
    1 year ago

    I’m so happy to see this community join us here, especially not being a mega-community with the same icon. We know the one on here.

    I feel the more niche communities migrations will have a bigger impact. That something like politics or whatnot wouldn’t. Like even Fuckcars is here, because Fuck cars.

  • Casmael@geddit.social
    681·
    1 year ago

    Welcome to LemmyVille it’s nice here we have

    • dietary advice
    • antique meme
    • screenshot
    • bean

    I love accidental renaissance one of my favourite subs x