ngl russia is not making it easy to give critical support lol

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    “the imperial powers use lgbt rights/feminism as a wedge fot justifying imperialism” ought to be met with these governments resolving the grievances of these movements so they can’t be coopted into anti-government plots. russia-cool it’s bad morally and it’s bad strategy,

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      I say bring it on. I know everyone is ready to forget that they took Oryx seriously and said stuff like smuglord “Nobody can deny Western weapons are very effective against Russian equipment.”

      I look forward to the usual “look I want free healthcare as much as the next guy and want to have a real government instead of a CIA GANGSTER POLICE STATE that bombs civilians for no reason but the alternative is just as bad, and in addition, these savages are nothing like us,” crap that’s been used against Syria and Libya and almost Ethiopia recently! They were revving it up! People are sort of keeping China in this vague category of “they are alright, critical support, but not getting my hopes up in case the all powerful warlords of my country need to try to disintegrate them with bombs & I need to remain neutral”

      So now we just have to pivot back to the normal “I don’t understand why all these anti-war leftists support Saddam Hussein and want to hug and kiss him? It’s just making things harder for us Real Activists.” refrain that keeps people from even approaching the discussion of what a semi-peripheral country is

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          What I mean in that screed is

          1️⃣ people remained “neutral” but kept supporting the western narrative throughout the past 2 years

          2️⃣ people don’t have an actual geopolitical analysis, they have the libertarian “muh tax dollar spending” antiwar argument which is completely anemic. i would prefer ancient bandung maoist takes

          3️⃣ the accusation of marcyism against people who do actual geopolitical analysis has been making a comeback, it’s a great way to learn nothing from all this

          what I recommend instead is everyone read abt that & also how western NGOs used things as innocuous as techno to lay the groundwork of the anti ethnic russian movement. look at how the far-right grows in poland etc

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              Yea they have the scoop here it is nice. People mostly don’t tolerate imperialist takes here. I just think it’s hard for everyone to both learn regional history + politics of Ukraine, and read a bunch of stuff about the development of the global south so they end up accepting a lot of premises which they shouldn’t.

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    Modern Russia is an embarrassment to the USSR that once took them to the stars. It’s incredibly sad to see them become just as chudified as the US. What capitalism does to a mother fucker.

    ussr-cry

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      This is why I don’t understand leftists who oppose China and other AES based on specific social issues like LGBT rights. Look at the imperfect rights of LGBT people in the USSR and tell me that you’d rather be LGBT in the post-Soviet states instead.

      Nothing got better as a result of the fall of the USSR unless you were a Patriarch in the Orthodox Church. Can’t imagine why anyone would rationally advocate for that shit to happen again.

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    Did any of you actualy read the stupid article?

    A video shared by ultra-conservative bloggers showed an unidentified man threatening to turn the pair into the police for wearing a Ukrainian flag pin and rainbow earrings.

    Yeah, I’ll just casually wear western values AND a flag pin of our current mortal enemies in time of war and expect nothing will happen?

    Did nobody actually watch the video? Is it because its telegram or what lol? The person is actually literaly wearing a Ukrainian flag pin. Whether or not she had any LGBTQ symbol or not is not the only point, heck I’m pretty sure nothing would have happened without this galaxy brain decision to wear an Ukrainian flag.

    But it gets worse

    “Also, during the process, the earrings themselves were examined, and it was found that they have the shape of a frog with an image of a 7-color rainbow,” Egida quoted an unnamed defense attorney as saying.

    And then you call Russia right wing? Going to 4chan and posting a rainbow flag doesn’t make that place any less of a neonazi shithole. Why a frog specificaly? Is that not an obvious dog whistle or what?

    Don’t misunderstand me, it absolutely sucks that Russia is a socialy conservative shithole. I can give you the benefit of doubt and say you’re just some random Ukrainian expats completely clueless that happen to be LGBTQ but you have to damn well pick your battles, you’re in Russia not New York, you don’t get to wear an Ukrainian flag in time of war, period. This would be true literaly anywhere else in the world too or do you think you get to wear a German flag in Moscow 1943 just because you’re an expat?

    I am confident this would not have happened without that incredibly bright decision and this is a stupid struggle session almost embarrassing, and you say Americans lack critical reading ability.

    Also The Moscow Times despite claiming to be Russian is online published from the Netherlands. Yeah that is about as legitimate as Putin launching a Russian version of NYT lol.

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I keep being berated as “chauvinist” to stand in solidarity with [not anglo-burn ] country’s queer liberation movement to improve-society

    So I don’t know how I’m supposed to feel without offending someone somewhere with my “paternal” concerns.

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    I find people in general tiresome. They all do this shit to us for some reason or another. Makes it hard not to have hard feelings about the whole thing.

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      Being against the Uganda anti-homosexuality act doesn’t mean you stop supporting anti-imperialist struggle and freeing Africa from the debt system.

      I don’t know what it is about Russia being a bit more developed and having a capitalist government which has shifted a bit towards nationalization of resources since the collapse of the USSR that makes people think “imperialist predation on this country demands neutrality” whereas the same issue is obvious to them in Africa. Except when it’s Ethiopia… man all it takes is Radio War Nerd to be like “fuck these guys” 😩😫😩😩😫 and they have an army of these chumps out of nowhere

      Most propagandized people in history fr fr

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      Same… people just generally suck.

      Sometimes I wish I was a turtle, or a bird. Not worried about some mayo-chugging animal attacking me because penises taste good.

      Just vibing in my tree 🌳🐦

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      They have little to no hostility with socialist countries for one thing. They’re a good trade partner with a lot of the global south and they’re starting to pull out of normal relations with Israel . Russia’s UN ambassador last year called Israel an “occupation.”

      Domestically they’re about the same as any other capitalist oligarchy from what I know, plus they have a bunch of reactionaries in high levels of power which sucks. At least they don’t have mass shootings like where I live.

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      They are currently fighting against NATO and western imperialism. That’s gotta be worth something, even if their domestic laws suck and I would not want to live there.

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      The us is the global imperial hegemon. Russia winning a war against the us will not make Russia the new hegemon, but instead destroy the current unipolar system. It will make it more feasible for leftist movements to develop across the world.

      Acknowledging this state of affairs does not mean you have to believe Russia is a “good guy”

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      This site confuses you only because deprogramming a lifetime of being steeped in imperialist propaganda can be hard. Part of that deprogramming is recognizing that almost everything Russia is doing internationally is good and worthy of support, including fighting US imperialism/NATO and Ukrainian banderite fascists.