I want to go biking in cities, but from what I’ve read most police departments simply do not give a fuck about stolen bikes. How do I make sure my bike doesn’t get stolen?

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    You can’t prevent bike theft - you can only discourage it.

    • Use multiple locks. Chains are harder to cut than U-locks. Stay away from cable/combination locks.
    • If the lock is a pain to carry around it’s also a pain to break.
    • If possible, place the lock so that it’s in awkward position to cut.
    • Have a bike that’s difficult to sell. Either a cheap and crappy one or make it unique looking.
    • Park it in public and leave it next to a bike that’s easier to steal.
    • Remove the battery if it’s an ebike.
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      2 points:

      Use multiple lock types to increase the required angles of attack.

      Keep the locks up off the ground so thieves can’t use the ground for leverage with bolt cutters.

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    As someone that biked in Chicago for over a decade… You make your bike harder to steal than other bikes. Very few bike thefts are targeted; they’re largely opportunistic. If it’s a targeted theft, they’re going to get your bike.

    Start by getting a good lock. If you’re riding a bike around that’s more than about $1500, spring for the Kryptonite New York series of locks. I’d say get a chain and a very small shackle, because that gives you the most places to lock your bike. When you lock up, remove your front wheel, and run the chain through your rear wheel and both the rear and front triangle, and through your front wheel. Make sure that what you’re locking to is sturdy, and difficult to move or cut quickly; city bike racks (the steel ones that are set into the concrete) are pretty good. For buildings that have exterior gas and water pipes, those are pretty great too. Take your seat and seat post with you. Get the tiniest, most uncomfortable-looking clipless pedals you can (Crank Bros. Eggbeaters are a good start, I had Speedplay Frogs before they were discontinued), and wear cycling shoes everywhere; as dumb as it sounds, a bike that someone can’t easily ride off on is less likely to get ripped off.

    Don’t leave your bike locked up outside overnight. Don’t leave your bike in a garage, in a fenced-in back yard, or on a back porch. Set up a place inside your house to store your bike (yes, this means that you need a large shower mat to catch the melting snow in the winter). If you commute to work, see if they have a place inside where you can keep your bike during your shirt.

    Declare your bike on your homeowners’ or renters’ insurance, and make sure that you specify replacement value, and exact duplicates rather than equivalents.

    Yes, Kryptonite locks can be picked. The people that can consistently pick the new ones quickly are very unlikely to be ripping off bikes.

    It’s not fool-proof, but I commuted to and from school in the loop, and to and from work in Skokie, and had a grand total of zero thefts across two high-end Cannondales, one mid-level Fuji, and a Specialized StumpJumper Pro in the years that I lived in Chicago.

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    This is the lock I use on my e-bike, and it’s even recommended by LockPickingLawyer. Hasn’t been stolen yet.

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    I use a Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit lock and chain through my rear wheel and rear triangle with a cable through my front wheel. I live in Medellin, Colombia which is about as theft prone for bikes as NYC is. I’ve never had my bike stolen. I also don’t leave it out at night, only when I’m going into a store or something.

    Edit: Be aware this is a pretty heavy chain and lock but I love my bike and don’t want it stolen so I bought the best one I could find.

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    Apologies for the lazy answer, but Lock Picking Lawyer on YouTube has a number of videos on bike locks. In addition to the lock itself, you want to secure both wheels with a chain or cable if possible, and take the bike seat with you if you can (or secure it in some manner). Thieves will remove any bike part they can quickly remove from the bike. Obviously take any bags or water bottles with you, too.

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      LPL is not a great resource on this since people aren’t going to be discretely picking locks to not show signs of tampering. They are going to pull out a bigass pair of bolt cutters (and if you cut the pocket out of a pair of jeans you can fit some REALLY chonky bolt cutters in your “pocket”) and cut through the cable.

      In terms of protecting your bike from an actual attack? That is going to very much depend on where you live. Growing up, basically every thug had some good bolt cutters so chains and even cables were worthless and you needed the big fucking bar locks. I was visiting my sister on a business trip a few months back and saw someone literally pull out a battery powered angle grinder (ryobi) and slice through a bar like it was butter while I gassed up at a Wawa’s.

      Which is why all you can really do is lock your bike on crowded well traveled bike racks and hope that someone brought the road bike out.

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    I’d look into a nice beefy lock, I know they make some that are grinder resistant. I think the name of the game is making your bike take longer than a few seconds to steal.

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          Understand the difference between a recreation bike and a utility bike.

          Having a really awesome mountain bike with top of the line shocks or a super light road bike that costs more than a car is awesome. But don’t park that outside the mcdonald’s.

          Instead, buy a used bike or get a REAL mid-tier bike from target or bikesdirect or whatever. And use that for commuting or going to the store or whatever.

          And if this sounds prohibitively expensive because “enthusiasts” would need to won multiple bikes and need a place to store them? You are starting to understand why “just replace your car with a bike” is a very “upper middle class white person” mentality.

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            “Replace your car with a bike” is also basically limited to only single or childless adults who live in an urban area with everything they need nearby. Because if you have a family or more than a few miles to places you need to be regularly, you’re going to have a much harder time without a car. So it basically is not applicable to millions of Americans, with our massively large square mileage of country that we occupy.

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              Which is why I take it to mean “replace applicable travel events with bike rides”. I can’t go carless in a suburb, but I can cover many daily needs with a bicycle. This is from someone that regularly commutes by 80mpg motorcycle and uses it for many grocery/light shopping needs, so it’s not a fear of cargo/passenger capacity.

              Similarly, this is what shoots the rail dream down. Yes, it’s nice to dream about the freedom of a train ride taking you to a fun destination. But then what? You arrive at the city and then… Stay in the city? Hope it’s a city at all? If it’s a decent-sized city with an airport, a car rental will probably work out fine enough. But then how did you get to your train station? Well, probably by car too. The regrettable situation of the US is that it’s not just a cute little country jam-packed over millenia. It’s as vast as the entire European continent with the population heavily concentrated on the coasts. If visiting cities are your thing, it’s easier to work out. But no, we’re not going to completely revamp the rail system to be “like germany, Spain, France, or England” because we already have that. It’s just in a straight line from DC to Boston. The area triangle made by London/Paris/Berlin is very similar to Boston/DC/Detroit. In the same way Americans generalize “Europe” to mean Spain, France, Germany, Poland, Italy, and the UK, ignoring all the east Europeans, we forget how empty it is between the Mississippi River and the west coast states - roughly half the continental 48 states house just 26% of the continental population. That’s including Texas in the middle with 9% in itself. The carless infrastructure drops quickly because population density drops quickly. The cities are largely isolated by seas of suburbs or emptiness.

              Whatever, tangential rant. I love rail, I work in rail, I rode the acela for fun. But we can’t right suburbs without displacing half the population. There is a strong westward density drop-off after the Mississippi River, a small one after the Missouri, and a sheer cliff after the line dropped from Winnipeg to Dallas until you get within 50 miles of the Pacific. That’s a 1300x1300 mile square of emptiness.

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              So it basically is not applicable to millions of Americans, with our massively large square mileage of country that we occupy.

              It’s funny to me when people use the US’s land size as a reason for needing a car…as if they live in Miami, need to commute to New York for work every day, and have to pick up the kids off from daycare in Anchorage after work.

              It’s not the geography that necessitates cars. It’s poor city planning.

              And now it’s weirdos protesting things like 15-minute cities, as if being able to walk to a grocery store, a department store, a doctor’s office, schools, and a park within 15 minutes from home is a bad thing.

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                You seem to be ignoring the fact that those millions of square miles are actually occupied, in many parts other than the cities. I don’t care what you do with your big cities, and I don’t know who you’ve seen protesting the alleged 15-minute cities, but the rest of our huge nation still has to operate as well. That’s why we have cars.

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              limited to only single or childless adults

              I think this is too narrow of an assessment. More common in America than single adults living alone are two adults living together, with each having their own car. So while you’re right that the present American land-use reality isn’t exactly conducive to having a plurality going car-less, it’s entirely probably for a couple to save substantial money by switching one car for a bike and keep just one car for the household. That’s something that can apply in huge swaths of the country, although it’s exceptionally apt for cities.

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              I live in a family of 6, and we were able to live car free for a year when we lived in germany. My dad used to live and work 300 kilometers away, and he would visit us every few weeks, coming by high speed train. My mother did all the buying groceries by bike. And we didnt live in any big city. It was a town of less than 10.000 people. It is possible for families to live car free. We did roadtrips by bike, visited nearby cities, went to beaches by train. We did have the car of a relative available, but we used it some 5 or 6 times in the whole year.

              I dont care if you have a family, you can live car free, if in the right place. And we aren’t super rich or anything, we lived with our relatives, and my dad lived in a friend’s house, who gave him a very big discount.

              And we also didn’t have any 3 bikes each, our bikes were mostly oldies borrowed from old family friends who didn’t need them.

              And if you do the math, 100 dolars a month, is pretty cheap for a car, if you consider gas and wear, so it is cheaper to buy a pretty nice bike every 3 months than to own a car.

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    Well, then you’re pretty much out of luck because if someone wants to steal your bike, they will, even if it means coming with a rotary saw. And yes, it does happen, depening on the value of the bike.

    My tip coming from a big city with a shitton of bikes: just get a cheap second hand bike that no one will bother with stealing. If you use it for your commute, then it’s good enough.

    If we’re talking about an expensive sports bike, then don’t leave it unattended.

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    Abus Granite is the gold-standard.

    Never ever use anything weaker than a pair of Kryptolok’s, so you get both wheels locked-up ( or undo the front wheel & put it beside the bike when locking it up with a single Kryptolok )

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