The amount of Nazi sympathizing I see among NATO bootlickers is disgusting.

  • PaulSmackage [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    9 months ago

    I’ve said before that the crimes of nazis will be piled onto Hitler and leave the rest unscathed before. I just didn’t expect it to be so soon. “We have liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.” - Zhukov

  • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    9 months ago

    So instead of a solution to the Nazi problem you suggest to do like the Nazis and commit genocide.

    You’re just as whack as the Nazis you hate

    Edit: Damn, there’s a lot of borderline nazis here. You can keep telling yourself that your path is righteous but it does not change the fact you are all horrible people.

    I have a friend that is deep in to the alt-right conspiracy territory and the one thing that keeps him from going all out extremist is me and some other friends. At heart he is a good person that is deeply misled and troubled and that is why it is important we keep in him our circle, engage in dialogue with him and challenge his views.

    • SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      9 months ago

      A Nazi can choose to not be a Nazi and be spared from defensive, anti fascist, violence. But the people who need protection from offensive Nazi violence: people of color, queer people, Jewish people, etc. Can not change the immutable characteristics that make them “undesirable” and therefore worthy of extermination by Nazis.

      All Violence is not equivalent. You punching me in the face is not the same thing as me punching back in retaliation.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        9 months ago

        in retaliation

        Okay, but what if the Nazi is sticking his little finger directly in front of your eye and chanting “I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you!” while his buddies creep up behind you with a big Holocaust themed butterfly net. Surely, then, you have no right to punch the Nazi, because he hasn’t actually done anything wrong yet.

        Also, what if the Nazi is a cop, and then the cops investigate the cops and they determine that the cops have done nothing wrong. Then, clearly, the Nazi hasn’t done anything wrong and your hands are tied, right?

    • Mindfury [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      9 months ago

      hey everyone, get a load of this nerd’s edit:

      Edit: Damn, there’s a lot of borderline nazis here. You can keep telling yourself that your path is righteous but it does not change the fact you are all horrible people.

      I have a friend that is deep in to the alt-right conspiracy territory and the one thing that keeps him from going all out extremist is me and some other friends. At heart he is a good person that is deeply misled and troubled and that is why it is important we keep in him our circle, engage in dialogue with him and challenge his views.

      bawww my fash friend is really a good person i swear (and please don’t point out that i’m more similar to him than i realise)!
      also i like challenging views, which is why I immediately call those who oppose fascists “literal nazis”

      shut the fuck up, loser

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        9 months ago

        It’s sad to have to realize that “good” (whatever that means) people can become nazis too, and it’s almost like you have to mourn them before they die. But they have died, that person has allowed their hueristic to be replaced with an exterminationist one, and in doing so discarded what made them worthy of mourning in the first place. I had high school friends who became nqzis and tough shit, you have to write them off. Ironically, I look at fascists the way they portray rioters: as zombies. But where they see zombies as nothing but metatextual human meat targets, I focus on what they actually are, in the lore of all those stories. They’re the final-stage victims of a brainworm infestation, their actions are dictated by a mindless hate fashioned by a mindlessly atavistic un-sapience. They have made themselves human cnidocytes, individual stinging cells in the body of the mad god Capital, and will go on stinging and poisoning forever until they’re stopped. Hopefully whatever’s left of the person they used to be in there can glean some measure of calm, perspective and understanding in the quiet moments after someone acts in defense of the rest of humanity, but thats’s about the best you can realistically hope for them.

      • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        9 months ago

        While I don’t know what the original user said besides your quote, working to rehabilitate and convince people despite the most awful is a laudable goal.

        How is someone who is against the thesis of something the very thing they are against? The only thing I can think of is the Nietzsche quote about the abyss. It seems like a form of dialectics? Like there’s an understanding of a contradiction of sorts and then some essential aspect is filtered out and that’s applied to everything in the situation. Then some small exclusion is made for whatever the specific characteristics are that line up with the conditions the person has is proposed (in this case their friend’s circumstances). I think what I dislike is that there might not be further investigation and attempts to broaden discussion are met with some hostility.

        It’s not as though I want to make things unpleasant for others, but it seems like it’s frequently taken that way :/

        • ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Trying to change people’s mind’s based on long-standing relationships is literally the only way it’s worth anyone’s time, really. It’s possible. But someone who doesn’t the difference between that and letting Nazis onto your pseudoanonymous Internet forum is very likely to also miss the difference between deradicalizing a friend and excusing a friend’s bigotry for the sake of not losing said friend.

      • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        9 months ago

        my response to that edit:

        By all means, work on the individuals in your life, but we won’t always have the luxury to treat them as therapy cases. When nazis start marching, there’s no pause button where you can stop time and deradicalize those people before they hurt innocents.

        Bigotry is also hard to cure. It self-reinforces. It diminishes empathy and creates negative confirmation biases, which then makes it hard to see past stereotypes. This is even more intense for well-off white people, because then classism and class narcissism play into it too.

        Most of the time you’re not going to talk someone out of their bigotry. The only real cure is exposure, taking time to get to know people from the group they hate, and even then bigots are liable to compartmentalize about how “they’re one of the good ones.”

        We don’t always have time for that. Sometimes the only solutions are violence and intimidation.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        9 months ago

        Damn, there’s a lot of borderline nazis here.

        Everyone the liberal doesn’t like is a nazi, except nazis that the liberal likes, those are Ukranian heroes morshupls

        • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Communists saying they want to kill Nazis? That’s borderline Nazism!

          The “14th Baby Torturing Division of the Jew Killers (1st Aryan-Galician)”? Oh, those guys were just fighting against Stalin to build the Ukrainian homeland bro…

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    9 months ago

    I agree, but we shouldn’t scoff at or mock people just because they hold different views from us. Remember to keep the tone polite and respect those who want to make a little ceremony of it, even if you don’t agree!