[–]HuJimX 37 points 4 hours ago yeah it’s definitely China’s fault that a Korean vessel sunk a Filipino fishing boat. fuckin mao ze dong
[–]stoopidmothafunka [score hidden] an hour ago I’m sure you’re not personally invested in China’s reputation, Hu Jim
“Hate the government, not the people”
Possibly Chinese person: actual argument
Cracker: have you considered that you’re asiatic?
Nick Mullen: “uhh, you’re Chinese”
Oh shit, sometimes I forget that.
hmm… you wish to comment on matters of international politics? have you made sure you’re on the list of approved races?
Let me get out my chart here
A lot of east Asians do fit the upper half so meme needs some addendums.
Whiteness was never really about skin tone or physical features. Remember that the Yanks didn’t consider the Irish white and the Germans didn’t consider Slavs white. Line all those 4 different nationalities up and you’d have a hard time telling them apart, but racism is dumb.
Honestly the use of “whiteness” as a social construct is not helping. People not neck deep into the terminology just don’t understand it, and it’s also not consistent with others.
In response to a comment explaining that neither ship was Chinese:
And this is why China needs to stop being gigantic bullies and jerks in those waters. It leads to tensions where even routine stupid collisions in very crowded waters are instantly assumed to be hostile actions. If this had been a Chinese ship that had been struck, the Chinese would have instantly reacted the same way and they would have started howling for blood before the facts were known. Until China dials down the aggression, this area is a powder keg that they have created and sparks are flying every day. Today’s mishap was another spark and everybody is lucky that the shooting didn’t start. It’s up to the Chinese to stop this and dial back the tension.
edit: wow, the China trolls are out for this comment! Sorry, kids. Have a nice afternoon.
The absolute dressing on this is how many of these dipshits immediately thought it was Chinese, without realizing if that were the case the headline would be something akin to ‘Three dead and dozens injured after Chinese vessel collides with Philippines fishing merchant after taking dangerous route’.
The media is already nearly as sinophobic as possible and it STILL isn’t good enough for these baying hounds.
The media is already nearly as sinophobic as possible and it STILL isn’t good enough for these baying hounds.
Remember when something like 2 weeks ago Reuters published article slightly critical of Ukraine and was immediately called “Russian propaganda” and even literally “Lemmygrad news” on lemmy?
A few comments down threw some sense into the mix saying it sounds like astroturfing is at least playing some role, and someone linked a very interesting web archive link: Reddit admins accidentally reveal "Eglin Air Force base as the most “Reddit addicted city”, from 2013. (and here’s a link to the web archive page if the original reddit post goes missing)
I found this paper that a Redditor said was funded by Eglin which shows how to influence conversations online and control majority opinion, but keep in mind I haven’t read the paper nor looked any deeper into the authors so take it with a grain of salt, unless you wanna look further.
Edit: apparently the official explanation is that Eglin is where military VPN traffic goes through, so everyone browsing Reddit on military networks does through Eglin. Kinda sus but seems reasonable imo
That paper is… something.
Basically all that calculus to say that individuals are influenced most by their closest peers and allow for more difference of opinion from them than strangers, therefore “agents” of a state (not kidding) should exploit this and find some way to use person-to-person social connections as a more
covertdecentralized way to manipulate people.Pretty fucked tbh, and the Elgin airbase credit is there (more concerningly it’s the research lab Munitions Directorate). The way things are going, I’m not convinced they’ll ever find that “directed spanning tree” of influence that glowies are praying for. They’ve also got a whole paragraph of assumptions, like “the social states of leaders are immutable”. LOL maybe they’re not sending their best.
having all vpn traffic go through the same military base seems like it would be a major vulnerability
They have one neck now
Really incredible stuff. Even after learning it was a Korean ship they manage to blame China
You know that last comment is from an American
And it’s pure projection lmao. Has this numbnuts forgotten all the wars the US has started?
the angloid parietal lobe is only capable of retrospection up to 2 months
they literally cannot remember the invasion of Libya, nor other important events in history, likely because the anglo saxon climate is so abundant with regular rainfall, cool summers, warm winters, and lack of natural disasters that there was never any need for future planning or past reflection–the latter of which is necessary to even begin to parttake in an honest view of history.
Contrast this with other climates like in India China Africa or even Eastern Europe, where the presence of either a dry season, a cold season, or predictable natural disasters would have required planning and forethought, as well as reflection on past handling of these stresses. Humans here would have had to save and store either scarce food/wood resources or water resources on a massive scale, in order to make it through the cold (Russia) or dry (India) winter, instead of simply living in the moment with your needs instantaneously met by a humid rainy climate that never goes above 75F or below 40F.
(this is a bit but I’m honestly beginning to convince myself)
All those dorks talking about the mandate of heaven in an extremely orientalist way. Did Liz Truss have the divine right of kings? Lmao
Haters become waiters at the table of success.
Reddit is a nazi pedophile website, of course they would hate China, a country whose young people do more than stream video games for other nazi pedos
American foreign policy - particularly americans talking about foreign policy - makes me want to die of dutch elm disease. As the late, great english-german disco author Georgio Moroderwell put it, “Imagine freedom fries. Forever”
God damn this is impressive. I spend my time hate browsing /r/worldnews and neoliberal and this is just something else.
Liberals are so bloodthirsty
As a would-be academic historian, it makes my blood boil when these ignorant chickenhawks bring up the Mandate of Heaven as though that concept still had any political currency in China whatsoever
Grew up in China and did college in US. First time I read about “mandate of Heaven” in English-language histories of China I had to look it up cuz I had no idea what they were talking about, even with guess work
First time I read it was in the English translation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms I think. I definitely remember reading about it on Wikipedia but I think that was spurred by trying to understand what the heck was going on in Three Kingdoms.
I love RotTK but god damn does it require a lot of reading on historical & cultural context.
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unrelated comments about three kingdoms
it’s really a great read if you can push through the density and the historical/cultural barrier. The entire novel is a fascinating argument against great man theory by the end; all the legendary heroic figures are dead and gone and life continued. I used to hate the ending as a kid (who got into it because of Dynasty Warriors of course) but it is really poignant looking back.
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Worth it entirely for understanding Mandate of Heaven jokes of course.
The entire novel is a fascinating argument against great man theory by the end; all the legendary heroic figures are dead and gone and life continued.
Is this deliberate, do you think?
I want to say yes to a degree - “great man theory” hadn’t been codified by the time RotTK was written of course but despite the larger than life figures present in the novel I think it refutes the assumptions that lead to the theory.
We have these legendary figures who are sure their actions are backed by inevitable destiny, or are absolute paragons of heroism etc. Guan Yu, Zhuge Liang, Liu Bei, Cao Cao etc. and each eventually pass into history as the wars continue to their end. Some are lauded for their virtues and their deaths are lamented but it’s never said that this was truly the end of some great era of heroes or some such. The ambitions of humans and the rise and fall of nations continues. It’s there from the beginning, the novel is prefaced with the poem:
On and on the Great River rolls, racing east,
Of proud and gallant heroes its white-tops leave no trace,
As right and wrong, pride and fall turn all at once unreal.
Yet ever the green hills stay
To blaze in the west-waning day.
Fishers and woodmen comb the river isles.
White-crowned, they’ve seen enough of spring and autumn tide
To make good company over the wine jar,
Where many a famed event
Provides their merriment.
As I said it used to make me sad to see all these great larger than life heroes die or stray from heroism, what have you, but it rings more true this way I think. Human lives are ephemeral and time again the “greatest” lives are proven to just be human like any other, fallible and fleeting. Life continues.
