https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2135509

this is practically a child’s view of the world. good guy vs bad guy. Russia = bad, NATO = good. plus, someone should tell her she has it completely backwards: ending russia is kinda natos entire thing

  • stratoscaster@lemmy.zip
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    11 months ago

    Sorry I missed the part where NATO was an authoritarian regime that genocided people en masse.

    Also hasn’t Russia repeatedly threatened countries to not join NATO? https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/12/russia-threatens-retaliatory-steps-if-finland-joins-nato.html

    I get that NATO is a primary threat towards Russia because, y’know, they’re currently attempting genocide against Ukrainians, but to compare NATO to Nazi Germany is a little disingenuous don’t you think?

      • stratoscaster@lemmy.zip
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        11 months ago

        I mean for sure, but also that’s not addressing the other points in my comment. Russia is clearly the aggressor in this case.

        I’m not sure why people are whole-hog against NATO when there’s a more imminent threat against world peace pounding on the door of its neighbors. Y’know, the same one that was found to have directly affected the election of the US. The same one that’s also stomping human rights into the ground (okay the US is also doing this to its own people for this one, you got me).

        Maybe once Putin keels over we can dissolve NATO.

        • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          11 months ago

          Russia is clearly the aggressor in this case.

          The war that started in 2014 where Ukraine broke two ceasefires with the separatist regions, and has been doing ethnic cleansing against ethnic Russians on the Russian border, that Russia didn’t join until 2022?

        • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          11 months ago

          Russia is clearly the aggressor in this case.

          Why did Ukraine break two seperate ceasefires with the seperatist regions? If they didn’t this wouldn’t be a problem.

          I’m not sure why people are whole-hog against NATO when there’s a more imminent threat against world peace pounding on the door of its neighbors.

          Because you’re wrong and NATO is the much larger threat, demonstrated through their whole bloody history.

          Y’know, the same one that was found to have directly affected the election of the US.

          US allies also spend similar amounts or greater on advertisements around the US election. Russiagate was kind of just xenophobia applied to something everyone has been doing.

          Maybe once Putin keels over we can dissolve NATO.

          Oh, okay, you’re operating on great man theory and not material analysis. This makes your content make sense.

          • stratoscaster@lemmy.zip
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            11 months ago

            "The official Twitter account of the Donetsk rebels said in the early hours of Sunday that its forces were “taking Mariupol”, but later accused Ukraine of breaking the ceasefire. Fighters from the Azov battalion, who are defending the town, said their positions had come under Grad rocket fire.

            Earlier on Saturday the truce had appeared to be holding, with only minor violations reported, as hopes mounted that the deal struck in Minsk on Friday could bring an end to the violence that has left more than 2,000 dead in recent months.

            Both sides accused the other of violating the ceasefire, but there did not appear to be any serious exchanges of fire and no casualties were reported."

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/06/eastern-ukraine-ceasefire-russia

            " The war began in April 2014 when armed Russian-backed separatists seized government buildings and the Ukrainian military launched an operation against them. It continued until it was subsumed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022."

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)

            At least be correct about what you’re citing. Russian backed separatists claim to be “taking Mariupol” and then backtrack with "oh no! We didn’t break the ceasefire! I promise! ".