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I’ve never understood this phrase because if it’s true then it’s literally impossible to deviate from the pattern, idk what they’re trying to say/what they’re complaining about.
Explains why liberals love quoting it so much, it treats history as predetermined based on some kind of vague “cycle”
Looking at those three, maybe there is something to an aesthetic analysis of history
Looking at how they did things, they all suck 🤷
You think the people that raised standards of living, ended famine and raised life expectancy from the mid 30s up to 65+ and brought their country to being number 2 world superpower in under 40 years while simultaneously eliminating unemployment, providing free healthcare and eliminating homelessness suck?
Are you out of your fucking mind? This opinion is not based in reality, it is propaganda-brained.
You are not immune to propaganda.
I’m not saying I am immune to propaganda, yet there are 2 sides on that coin. Censorship I already mentioned, then we have repressions, basically encouraging ppl to accuse each other, etc.
Eliminating unemployment and homelessness was also somewhat questionable, AFAIK: after finishing a uni, the future workers were forcibly sent somewhere to work for X (3, I guess?) yrs with dorms as accommodation to live with Y else ppl in the same room (so, a glorified homeless shelter). Now imagine that somewhere in Siberia. Although, yeah, better than nothing, I guess. On a side note, zero unemployment was “official”, and I personally judge their openness regarding stuff they didn’t like based on the Chernobyl accident’s handling.
Free healthcare is great, no questions here. However, it wasn’t pioneered by the USSR, but actually dates back to Alexander the 2nd’s reforms (or even earlier).
So, that’s kinda it, a nonexclusive list of reasons why I refuse to glorify USSR
Censorship I already mentioned
And you completely ignored anyone pointing out the same censorship in capitalist countries.
then we have repressions
Ahh yes, capitalism, famous for not repressing political dissidents. Please don’t look at Assange, or look up any of the mysterious deaths of BLM organisers, or look at the entire history of marxists being assassinated by the state. No repressions here!! The state has definitely never dropped literal bombs from planes on protesters! Nope. Never happened. The state has never blown up entire neighbourhoods with explosives to get one dissiddent family before. Nope. Never happened!
You’re blind to all this shit because you’re probably a beneficiary of capitalism and want to continue it, knowing full well you’re a beneficiary. You ignore the heinous shit capitalists do, causing 2 world wars, slavery, and the modern heinous shit because it doesn’t affect you personally and as long as that is the case you don’t give a fuck. But you certainly do give a fuck about socialist states doing less bad stuff because those are a threat to your maintenance of the status quo that you benefit from.
basically encouraging ppl to accuse each other
No now you’re claiming that something the nazis did as a matter of systemic society-wide policy is something the soviets did. You’re doing literal actual fascist propaganda now of claiming the crimes of nazis were actually what the soviets did.
Eliminating unemployment and homelessness was also somewhat questionable
No it wasn’t.
after finishing a uni, the future workers were forcibly sent somewhere to work for X (3, I guess?) yrs with dorms as accommodation to live with Y else ppl in the same room (so, a glorified homeless shelter)
Please for the love of god stop getting your information about socialism from reddit comment sections filled with literal actual nazis. Holy fucking shit.
Free healthcare is great, no questions here. However, it wasn’t pioneered by the USSR, but actually dates back to Alexander the 2nd’s reforms (or even earlier).
Yeah you should just be banned. You’re a lost cause, a literal actual fucking moron that believes the country had ““healthcare”” at a time its life expectancy was in the mid 30s. How are you this fucking propagandised? What have you done to your brain? Do you just actively TRY to fill your head with shit? You want to believe this drivel so you seek it out? What is wrong with you? Do you ever actually think? Is there a single ounce of critical thought in your head or do you just unquestioningly believe anything anticommunist while doing everything you can to debunk in your mind anything pro communist?
How much does your brain freak the fuck out when I tell you that the soviet gulag system had a lower death rate in the 1950s, over 70 years ago, than they do in current, modern day, american prisons?
Source? 🤨
Soviet union was significantly better than anything that was before or after
Well, I like their tech, or rather that everything came with schematics ootb, but other than that… Idk, some stuff still seems too restrictive for me: all that iron curtains, needing the party’s approval on stuff you can listen_to/perform/read, etc
It’s no different than what creators have to do in the West when trying to appease their editors/producers/executives, only they are only concerned with what will net the most money.
On one hand, we have making stuff that lends you in jail or otherwise gets you in trouble with the govt, and on the other one - stuff that makes you no money [which is also not exactly correct since you can even publish stuff under CC and still make money (e.g. Cory Doctorow, LukHash, etc) as long as said stuff has an audience]
No mate. You’re not looking at this correctly.
There is an absolutely huge quantity of stuff you simply can not put in media because you will lose your job in the industry. That’s censorship, it’s just smartly hidden censorship that is one step removed from any “official” capacity but everyone still knows it’s there.
Sure you can publish under CC, good luck getting blacklisted from everything else forever though.
Another r*dditor hog who cares only about cooming and what type of funko pops you can buy. Come back when you have a soul.
Incredible series of clauses
it’s a good thing people don’t need money to live, huh, you fucking moron
Why is it that the world’s inequality skyrocketed after the dissolution of the USSR? Why is it that liberals glamorize the swift period where Russia stripped its own copper and made people desperate enough to want Putin? The capitalists no longer had a threat against them. Even today, China is an industrial and financial threat, not an ideological one.
Even if the USSR “sucked,” they were the ones encouraging revolution and decolonization, and that resulted in countries demanding a seat on the world stage. That’s not to say these countries all succeeded or even good today, but the western capitalists actually sweat when people were dissatisfied. Now? Fuck it. Just watch the marvel and eat the burger. It’s the end of history!
Did I say capitalism doesn’t suck? As far as I can tell, I, in fact, didn’t. I generally like communistic and anarchistic ideas, but not the methods USSR used
Not sure what you mean here. 'Cause so far it’s about encouraging others to overthrow the govt in hopes of establishing a communistic paradise and not why I’m prohibited to think USSR in particular sucked.
Although mb smth along the lines of said stuff being “inevitable” which my pacifistic ass still doesn’t agree to. Linking to a particular message can help
cringe + L + ratio
Death to America
